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Branskins · Jul 08, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

You try writing on old parchment in the middle of a busy city! Writing at ones desk where it is quiet is much different from someone who is roleplaying a scribe during a huge event with loads of people!

Maybe I am trying to defend him too much. Maybe they are trying to carry out the roleplaying with mistakes? Hm I do not know.

But people getting picky about things over the internet can get a little annoying. I mean it is the internet and if that bugs you... read the thousands of forum posts; they are filled with grammatical mistakes.

Zehnchu · Jul 08, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

One scroll is from New York & the other is Los Angeles, I would hate to see the Wall Street Scroll.

Feminist Terrorist · Jul 08, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

If a job is worth doing, it's worth doing right.

IMO, just because other people make mistakes is no reason to lower one's standards.

I'm sure that all comes off as smug, but that's not my intent. I'm an idealist, a crusader, and believe that people should strive to do their best in all things, at all times.

Gaile Gray · Jul 08, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

I love the content, but there's just too many errors in this week's issue (http://www.guildwars.com/community/t...ibe-060707.php) for me to enjoy it. Was it rushed? Does the Scribe need an editor?

I'm both fishing for an 'official' answer and want to know people's thoughts

Oh, now, some would say you're fishing for a job and for self-aggrandizement, don't you think?

But FYI: The first call for commas is wrong. Commas are not required there, although I personally would have chosen to use them. Your other callouts are primarily subjective. Others are absolutely erroneous. One or two might be accurate, but for goodness, sake, you're wasting Inde's bandwidth when there is an email address to which you could send your input? I was mistaken in not pointing that out in the earlier post, and I apologize. Via email, we welcome any and all comments, suggestions, and questions, and it is of great benefit to hear from those who wish to make a contribution. I would anticipate that forum threads would be more for points of general discussion.

If you hope to establish your profession as an editor, take it from someone who has been quite successful in that very role (although did not serve as such here): Learn to separate yourself from your preferences and allow the writer to display his or her own voice whenever possible. Do we care that you do not like "often?" Nope, not a diddly.

It is not an editor's place to reconstruct, but to shine, polish, and amend when there are errors. It is not an editor's role to recast in his or her own wording, when the words of another tell the tale. The editor serves mostly as an aid and in most assignments should not presume to offer the final word on nearly any stylistic element or construct, but only on what is truly an error.

Lastly, attend Definition 2, and learn.

(Oh, how I wish we had devil's horn here, for I am joking with you and hope that you will see that.) However, on a more serious note, these watchwords are genuine: Only correct if you are certain to be correct, and only do so in the most productive and most positive means and manner possible.

The Great Al · Jul 08, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

are you guys serious? It's one thing if the guy misspells "Guild Wars," but this isn't a literary magazine, it's an online gaming newsletter! Honestly, some people just like to complain about everything.

J snukka · Jul 08, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Oh, now, some would say you're fishing for a job and for self-aggrandizement, don't you think?

But FYI: The first call for commas is wrong. Commas are not required there, although I personally would have chosen to use them. Your other callouts are primarily subjective. Others are absolutely erroneous. One or two might be accurate, but for goodness, sake, you're wasting Inde's bandwidth when there is an email address to which you could send your input? I was mistaken in not pointing that out in the earlier post, and I apologize. Via email, we welcome any and all comments, suggestions, and questions, and it is of great benefit to hear from those who wish to make a contribution. I would anticipate that forum threads would be more for points of general discussion.

If you hope to establish your profession as an editor, take it from someone who has been quite successful in that very role (although did not serve as such here): Learn to separate yourself from your preferences and allow the writer to display his or her own voice whenever possible. Do we care that you do not like "often?" Nope, not a diddly.

It is not an editor's place to reconstruct, but to shine, polish, and amend when there are errors. It is not an editor's role to recast in his or her own wording, when the words of another tell the tale. The editor serves mostly as an aid and in most assignments should not presume to offer the final word on nearly any stylistic element or construct, but only on what is truly an error.

Lastly, attend Definition 2, and learn.

(Oh, how I wish we had devil's horn here, for I am joking with you and hope that you will see that.) However, on a more serious note, these watchwords are genuine: Only correct if you are certain to be correct, and only do so in the most productive and most positive means and manner possible.

Gaile seriously I love you. You are the Woman!!

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 08, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Oh, now, some would say you're fishing for a job and for self-aggrandizement, don't you think?

But FYI: The first call for commas is wrong. Commas are not required there, although I personally would have chosen to use them. Your other callouts are primarily subjective. Others are absolutely erroneous. One or two might be accurate, but for goodness, sake, you're wasting Inde's bandwidth when there is an email address to which you could send your input? I was mistaken in not pointing that out in the earlier post, and I apologize. Via email, we welcome any and all comments, suggestions, and questions, and it is of great benefit to hear from those who wish to make a contribution. I would anticipate that forum threads would be more for points of general discussion.

If you hope to establish your profession as an editor, take it from someone who has been quite successful in that very role (although did not serve as such here): Learn to separate yourself from your preferences and allow the writer to display his or her own voice whenever possible. Do we care that you do not like "often?" Nope, not a diddly.

It is not an editor's place to reconstruct, but to shine, polish, and amend when there are errors. It is not an editor's role to recast in his or her own wording, when the words of another tell the tale. The editor serves mostly as an aid and in most assignments should not presume to offer the final word on nearly any stylistic element or construct, but only on what is truly an error.

Lastly, attend Definition 2, and learn.

(Oh, how I wish we had devil's horn here, for I am joking with you and hope that you will see that.) However, on a more serious note, these watchwords are genuine: Only correct if you are certain to be correct, and only do so in the most productive and most positive means and manner possible.

Perhaps I should have given feedback directly, and I apologize that I haven't.

The commas were not my call, and I believe were mentioned by the others only because I didn't explicitly quote the questionable parts in my first post.

Even if you wish to dismiss the first three points I quoted as matters of "preference," the last two are clearly editing errors.

The Great Al · Jul 09, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

I was going to make a whole dramatic post but it was just a huge flame, which is basically what you're asking for anyway.

The Scribe is free. You don't need to read it, and if you do read it, you have no reason to complain about a typo or two.

Almighty Zi · Jul 09, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

I have been editing a literary magazine at my college for over a year now.

Well, if we all were editors of a 'literary magazine' then I'm sure that we would all be looking for holes or areas of improvement in the punctuation and grammar of the article. As we are not, I think that we appreciated the article for what is was and couldn't give a toss about its literary merits.

Zinger314 · Jul 09, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Almighty Zi

Well, if we all were editors of a 'literary magazine' then I'm sure that we would all be looking for holes or areas of improvement in the punctuation and grammar of the article. As we are not, I think that we appreciated the article for what is was and couldn't give a toss about its literary merits.

I'm 16 years old, and I care about grammar. I'm the completely opposite spectrum.

The commas may not be required, but the sentence reads very awkward without them...

Almighty Zi · Jul 09, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

I'm 16 years old, and I care about grammar. I'm the completely opposite spectrum.

The commas may not be required, but the sentence reads very awkward without them...

What I was trying to point out in my previous post is that the OP was biased in his view of the article. I care about grammar and punctuation too but I read the article for its content and not to look for grammatical errors.

If the article had contained any glaring errors or had been particularly badly written then perhaps I too would share the OP's view of the article.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 09, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almighty Zi

What I was trying to point out in my previous post is that the OP was biased in his view of the article. I care about grammar and punctuation too but I read the article for its content and not to look for grammatical errors.

If the article had contained any glaring errors or had been particularly badly written then perhaps I too would share the OP's view of the article.

When did I say I went looking for errors?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

I love the content, but there's just too many errors in this week's issue for me to enjoy it.

I read the Scribe for the content, not to find errors. I find errors because I'm used to looking for them and my brain picks them up, not because I'm actively looking for them. The Scribe is a wonderful addition to the GW site, but errors detract from a reading experience of any kind.

The Great Al · Jul 09, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

why should errors detract from a reading experience? Again, this isn't webster's dictionary, its a guild wars newsletter. The commas really weren't necessary, and it is extremely common for people to miss two 'but's in a row. If you are honestly going to let two or 3 ambiguous errors detract from a reading experience, then there's no reason to read it at all, or anything on this site. The scribe is useful for its' content, it's not a literary magazine or a novel.

that being said, i know Gaile has said that the scribe guy has played more gw than anyone, but i don't think his elementalist builds seem all that great

Kool Pajamas · Jul 09, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

There were a few errors, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, who cares?

Step down from your pedastal. omg i said pedastal not pedestal. lol

Dalia · Jul 09, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Well, Ms. Gray, there's editing and then there's editing. Forgive us if we don't "take it from you" and instead have our own opinions. While the type of editing you describe might serve well for most types of business writing, creative writing often demands more scrutiny. There were many weaknesses in this week's Scribe -- sentence structure, verb tense, modifiers, point of view -- real basic stuff! (The scribe seems to adore the word "despite.")

We might also have different opinions as to what constitutes "wasting Inde's bandwidth." For those of us to whom writing is important, raising the level of GW's prose is worthy of discussion. So far I haven't seen any posts that rank any of GW's writing as particularly stellar. "Despite" the inevitable flames such posts draw, a discussion might just up the bar a bit.

Also contradictory seems to be GW's stand that the forums are to be our main means of communication with Anet and your request that we use email instead. By the way, what email address should be used to submit our "comments, suggestions and questions?" One that generates an automated reply?

Your last paragraph reminds me of Ellen DeGeneres's bit about the phrase "just kidding," how folks seem to think adding that phrase excuses anything. Seems to me, you're getting a vitriolic lately in your replies -- just kidding!

Dalia;>

SerenitySilverstar · Jul 09, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Congratulations. We just stepped into the realm which would deserve a hearty point-and-laugh by Something Awful's Weekend Web.

Curse You · Jul 10, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by James the crazy

this is slightly off-topic but...

ZOMG HAMSTORM!

You know that this EXACT thing is right on the original Guild Wars box?

It says:

Quote:

A Deadly Combination
Strike with a Hamstring attack to cripple your fleeing opponent, then rain fire down upon him as he slowly limps away.

This is hardly what I would call "original" seeing how it's right on the box.

WLlama · Jul 10, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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While the type of editing you describe might serve well for most types of business writing, creative writing often demands more scrutiny.

I must say that this commentary makes my fingers twitch.

I typically find it most important to preserve the voice of the author in creative pieces; unlike business writings, which tend to be more focused on precise wording.

As for judging which writing style requires more scrutiny, both have their own editing techniques. Thus a direct comparison of the two is unlikely to bear fruit and in my opinion, neither style of writing predetermines the amount of editing/scrutiny required.

/tries to stop twitching

YunSooJin · Jul 10, 2006, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalia

Well, Ms. Gray, there's editing and then there's editing. Forgive us if we don't "take it from you" and instead have our own opinions. While the type of editing you describe might serve well for most types of business writing, creative writing often demands more scrutiny. There were many weaknesses in this week's Scribe -- sentence structure, verb tense, modifiers, point of view -- real basic stuff! (The scribe seems to adore the word "despite.")

We might also have different opinions as to what constitutes "wasting Inde's bandwidth." For those of us to whom writing is important, raising the level of GW's prose is worthy of discussion. So far I haven't seen any posts that rank any of GW's writing as particularly stellar. "Despite" the inevitable flames such posts draw, a discussion might just up the bar a bit.

Also contradictory seems to be GW's stand that the forums are to be our main means of communication with Anet and your request that we use email instead. By the way, what email address should be used to submit our "comments, suggestions and questions?" One that generates an automated reply?

Your last paragraph reminds me of Ellen DeGeneres's bit about the phrase "just kidding," how folks seem to think adding that phrase excuses anything. Seems to me, you're getting a vitriolic lately in your replies -- just kidding!

Dalia;>

gg no re kthxbye

Rent · Jul 10, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Congratulations. We just stepped into the realm which would deserve a hearty point-and-laugh by Something Awful's Weekend Web.

I don't think you've ever actually read the feature in question.